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Paul Otichoda
Mine Your 0wn Business
Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:32:00 -
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Isn't this going to hit new players income streams?
We all know that a lot of them make money from mining, processing and then selling the minerals or making stuff. If we undermine their ability to do this how many of them are going to stay around and get more into the game?
But lets be honest this is just another attempt by CCP to undermine the economic viability of high sec and solo industry and force people into corps and specifically into low and null sec.
And it will always fail because the people who this change will hit most are the ones who would never go into null sec in the first place. I.E, new players without the skills or people who don't want to log on ever day. |
Paul Otichoda
Mine Your 0wn Business
Brothers of Tangra
210
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:45:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Xayo 204 wrote:brb relisting some caps...
Max refine rate you can get on 425mm rails is 55% now? O god what did you do..? all those poor cap builders will need to do so many extra trips. too many caps anyways... maybe this will help localalize mining to the place caps are built?
well this is a rather obvious attempt to undermine the high sec domination of mineral production. I expect the entire economy to have collapsed a few weeks after this change happens.
Why?
well lets look at it this way, people sell the ore now not the minerals themselves since for the most part their getting less of them without a lot of skill training. This benefits a small group of players who have high level of refining skills trained and own high sec refining POSs. This new syndicate of players work together to force the market price up since there are less cheaper alternatives coming into the market. The result is both miners and builders suffer while this new middleman gets rich and the overall economy suffers. |
Paul Otichoda
Mine Your 0wn Business
Brothers of Tangra
210
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:56:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:
We all know that a lot of them make money from mining, processing and then selling the minerals or making stuff. If we undermine their ability to do this how many of them are going to stay around and get more into the game?
which really is by far the most boring activity in eve. i guess more people quit because mining is boring than anything else. (sadly) there are plenty people around that will buy ore or support newbie miners in mining corps.
Yes but it is probably the most profitable thing a new player can do when they just start out, they're introduced very early on in the tutorials and they give them a good stable income (about 2 million an hour) while their training up for other stuff like combat ships. If they aren't making much money then their going to give up.
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Paul Otichoda
Mine Your 0wn Business
Brothers of Tangra
210
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:09:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:
Yes but it is probably the most profitable thing a new player can do when they just start out, they're introduced very early on in the tutorials and they give them a good stable income (about 2 million an hour) while their training up for other stuff like combat ships. If they aren't making much money then their going to give up.
they aren't training other skills. they are training for barges and the perfect refine. because they don't feel ready for pvp. takes an organisation like brave newbies to change that mindset. brave newbies is probably the best thing that happened to eve on the player side in a looooooooong time.
Isn't that habit going to get even worse? I freely admit I trained for a mining barge because they're the cheapest/quickest way for a solo player to see a big jump in revenue but I didn't spend a lot of time training the refining skills now people will have to train for them to get a good refine level. CCP would force people going down this route to either sell the ore at a reduced price or waste time training the refining skills up |
Paul Otichoda
Mine Your 0wn Business
Brothers of Tangra
210
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:24:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Unable to refine ore for profit?
Sell it, so someone else refines it.
Where's it written that Miners have to be the ones who refine ore? Especially newbie miners?
one problem with that, generally I found that most ore buy orders were set about 10% below the regular market price for the ore while the minerals were generally much closer to the market value. There is nothing to stop a new syndicate forming that only buys ore at massively reduced price and then forcing the market price for the minerals up
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Paul Otichoda
Mine Your 0wn Business
Brothers of Tangra
210
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:29:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Unable to refine ore for profit?
Sell it, so someone else refines it.
Where's it written that Miners have to be the ones who refine ore? Especially newbie miners? one problem with that, generally I found that most ore buy orders were set about 10% below the regular market price for the ore while the minerals were generally much closer to the market value. There is nothing to stop a new syndicate forming that only buys ore at massively reduced price and then forcing the market price for the minerals up currently, only idiots sell ore because it's so trivial to get 100% refines in highsec, so the ore buy orders have an idiot tax in it'll narrow
you sure?
I seem to remember all the trouble we had with the high sec POCOs
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